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Life under fallout conditions

30 January 2007


It was a Christmas spent happily picking all the orange ones out of the Quality Street and downloading and watching various recent series on atheism that made me eventually shell out twenty quid for The God Delusion. I am enjoying it, of course, in that way that people always gain satisfaction from reading views that correlate with their own, but I am finding that I have to stop every quarter of a chapter or so to give vent to my not inconsiderable feelings that Richard Dawkins is a pompous, vainglorious, self-important cunty pempslider before I am able to continue. I'm not making as much progress as I had hoped.

My parents are Christians for whom god is a benevolent absolute; believers who have no need for church but whose faith is unshakable. Having parents who believe in god but not necessarily the trappings of religion, I attended a Church of England primary school simply because it was the closest. This was not the sin and blood of Christ version of Christianity but harvest festival scrabbling in cupboards and drawers for old shoe boxes and nearly-expired tins of rice pudding, Christdingles and nativity plays and All Things Bright And Beautiful every morning at assembly with the words not destined to change to the dirty version for a good four years yet. There was just one piece of religious iconography in the school, a statue of the Virgin Mary in classic blue with outstretched arms that absolutely did not invite to you hang your bag upon them on threat of note to your mother. She was placed in a corner of the canteen, as an inducement to neighbourly behaviour in the lunch queue or perhaps as a reminder that God looks upon both gluttonous requests for seconds and unfinished plates (when there are Children Starving In Africa) with a sad, forbidding eye. It was incongruous amongst its resolutely low church surroundings and I don't recall anyone ever treating it with any more reverence than the inexplicable stuffed and mounted moose head over the headmaster's door before which the infants would quake and scatter.

I even went to Sunday school for a few years, due entirely to a combination of all my friends being there and my parents realising this would mean a couple of uninterrupted hours in the pub of a Sunday afternoon rather than any great desire on my part to read Thank You Lord for the Jeans We Wear for the thirteenth time. It would be pleasant and afford me much kudos to be able to say that even at the age of eight I knew that the idea of a god was absurd, but I no more had the ability to outright deny the existence of a god any more than I did Santa even if somewhere I had the seed of knowledge gently germinating that would eventually tell me that religion is based on just the same kind of deception that makes your father pretend it wasn't him that drank the sherry on the mantelpiece and ate the carrots left out for Rudolph. When I bowed my head in prayer at assembly and before bed it was done so because I was told that I must and though I cannot remember ever once trying to actually talk to god neither did I deliberately choose not to. It was simply that my Garbage Pail Kids swapsies pile offered me more than communion with god ever could, something that remains so to this day. I also ate my carrots, did my maths homework and refused to show my knickers to boys for the same reason, because authority instructed me so and while the benefits or validity of these actions escaped me (and again, do to this day) I was in no position to express why that might be.

God was, like my parents, teachers and the ice cream van on a Monday afternoon all knowing and something that was always just there. Nothing I had been told ever led me to question this until one day, perhaps dwelling a little too much on the embarrassed, feet shuffling girl's only talk we had received from the school nurse the day before, I asked my father that if god made us, who made him? He didn't know and had never cared to think about it. The first part of that answer set me stumbling down the path to atheism, the second to antitheism. Once I had heard, just the once, that the idea of god could be based on the triumph of faith over knowledge I couldn't accept the concept of lives lived on little more than hope and crossed fingers and to my parent's quiet dismay managed to reached fully-fledged infidel status by the time I was twelve. A couple of years after that, when I thought to consider the second part of my father's answer and realised he was happy to have his finger-crossing unchallenged that I arrived at the conclusion I'm still at now, that all religion is destructive, divisive, absurd, out and out dangerous, an impediment to free thought and yes, delusional. Which is, perhaps and with some relief, the only belief I think I am ever going to be able to say I share with Christopher Hitchens.

Atheism is, unfortunately, one of the least sexy isms (along with vegetarianism and pacifism) that it's possible to subscribe to. With feminism there might still linger in the back of the mind of even the most uncomprehending the thought that you might not be wearing a bra and if you're pro-choice, that obviously means you put it about no end but people can look at you if you're at atheist like you're somehow deliberately spoiling everyone's fun. A dog poo tart in the middle of a child's birthday party spread. It is this rather than any innate respect for freedom of religion or the opinions of others that stops me rapping people sharply on the head with enthusiasm and enquiring with notable lack of politeness about their mental health. Dawkins, it seems, does not share my reticence.

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Wait, you have all those least sexy isms. See, this is why I eat meat and read Guns N' Ammo in my spare time, its sexy!

posted by D | 29 January 2007



I know what you mean, when grown-up people start mentioning God it makes me nervous, I have to bite my tongue to stop myself blurting out 'Are you mad?

Who is Dawkins?

posted by annie | 29 January 2007



Darwin's rottweiler...

Richard Dawkins

posted by Jack | 29 January 2007



It has puzzled me for some time that seemingly intelligent people can have an unreasoning devotion to something that makes no real sense.

I have concluded that the concept of god was invented for two specific reasons:

1. Parents - Somebody's got to be in charge of everything or that means that the only thing governing society is a mutual agreement not to throttle each other in our beds. Rather than promote the idea that people should not do bad things to each other because that would be bad, it is much easer to say, "Because God said so." Of course, once you're in the "God said so." business you can make God say anything you wish.

2. Life After Death - No God, no afterlife. If this is it then that's way too scary and the vast majority of humanity can't conceive of that so let's do the God thing and then we can believe that there's reward and punishment after we shuffle off this mortal coil. Though why committing one major sin in a lifespan that might be anywhere from ten to seventy years long should result in toture for all eternity always made me wonder about how this whole game was set up. If I am adulterous one time I get the same treatment as Adolph Hitler. God is very strict.

Of course that's only the Christian version.

There's also the "connection to God" thing. Check your history on monarchies and you'll find that most royalty track their right to rule back to the blood line of some diety. This includes all of Europe, and the UK most specifically.

But that's a separate subject (sort of).

Ad Majorem Dei Glorium

Tom

posted by Tom | 30 January 2007



Tom, regarding Point 2, have you actually read the New Testament? Jesus says the exact opposite about the adulterous woman - only criticise her if you have never done anything wrong yourself - and to her - you are forgiven, don't do it again.
It's absolutely clear on that. Repent and you are forgiven, just like that. Saying sorry and not meaning it is another thing again. If it makes more sense to you, call 'faith' your conscience, it works the same way. If you feel guilty, put it right and forgive yourself. If someone else hurts you, forgive them. Let it go.

I'm not so sure that too many people nowadays are as hung up as all that about an afterlife. There are plenty who think there is 'something' though, whether they call it a religion or not. As far as I'm concerned, I can take or leave the whole mystical, miraculous part, but as an example to set ones values by, what the writers of the gospels said that Jesus said (I'm not claiming more than that) is helpful and quite hard to fault.

posted by z | 30 January 2007



I am the same. I too remember that delicious realisation during services at school - Why is everyone DOING this? What's WRONG with them?

But still I mimed along. It was years before I could tell anyone... haven't told my parents even now.

Atheism is a cold hard road. At the end is death, but along the way is life, and truth, and biting your tongue when religionists claim those words as theirs alone.

posted by oe | 30 January 2007



With a small 'g'. It's the English way. Pascal's wager - I have 50p each way.

posted by Noosa Lee | 30 January 2007



My only memory of Sunday School was the sausages wrapped in white sliced bread with a dab of sauce at the annual christmas party. Maybe I erased the rest of the memories when I gave up meat?

posted by another outspoken female | 30 January 2007



Sorry, don't mean to get into an actual theologcal debate, but a question was asked and I attempted to answer it.

So . . .

1. Have I ever read the New Testament? Yes, several times. Six years of hristian theology worth.

2. I was assuming unrepentant sinners standing before God, not the confessed and shriven penetant showing up with a squeaky clean soul. I am assuming Hitler didn't repent and neither did my hypothetical adulterer. In the Christain religion I was brought up in there were Mortal Sins and Venal Sins. A Mortal Sin sent you to hell if you did not repent before that final judgement session. It's not about any human's attitude towards adultery. It's about God's attitude towards adultery. And God says an unrepentant adulterer goes directly to hell. If your rebuttal is that you were taught differently then my response is that this only means that your sect of Christianity was different from mine and the people in my church that spoke the word of God were different from the people who spoke the word of God in your church so you're wrong, and a heretic and you all must die because God told me to kill you so only right believing Christians should walk the earth. And that's my whole point because that's the whole problem.

3. Whether or not you personally don't care if there is an afterlife is, pardon me, irrelevant. The vast majority of humans care a lot. And please take it out of the Christian context. It was a mistake to go there anyway. Any place you want, any people you want, any belief system you want to name, they all posit life after death. None of them says, "Serve God faithfully and then you get bupkis."

4. While you can't fault what Jesus may have said you can fault how people interpret it, and that's the problem. To reiterate, once you claim to know what God means by a particular passage in whatever holy book you hold up you wind up in a position that anyone who says anything different is wrong and against your God. And once you are accepted as the arbiter of what God means then you can make God mean whatever strikes your fancy. It's the Lilliputian Big End vs. Small End debate.

This is why I don't do theological discussions. You start from a false premise and that justifies your entire argument.

It's silly. When we're both dead you can say I told you so and chuckle as I roast.

posted by Tom | 31 January 2007



Quite right. Religion is generally an excuse to switch your brain off and thereby avoid the terrifying thought of being merely a thermodynamic accident in a cold, uncaring, vast, dead universe.

It's also a great excuse to kill people you don't like, and a neat fallback when you want a supine government to listen to you ('We believe in an imaginary friend who dictated this book to us! You must respect what it says!').

It would be really nice to meet someone who actually follows with Christ said. I've yet to.

posted by The Moai | 31 January 2007



I recently gave out a telephone number to a customer where the code was 01666 she said "as a christian I don't think I want to call that number" - is it me?

posted by FJ | 31 January 2007



I was watching the preposterous 'Heaven on Earth' on BBC the other day (I was feeling rather peaceful and needed something to wind me up). They refer admiringly to people who have 'deeply held beliefs' as if being suggestible zombies was something to be proud of.

Shouldn't us Agnostics and Atheists have a program on the BBC as well? A full hour of chat with celebrities who enjoy trashing religious nonsense.

posted by Marcos | 31 January 2007



My athiest friend is currently reading the God Delusion and recommended it. For now, I declined; I'm a happy agnostic with blurry notions of a God-type thing that I feel and believe in absolutely - even if it turns out to be 'just' energy or nature or more probably, aliens! I don't care what it is, just that it is positive in an often negative world. I don't feel the need to dissect it, or refer to moral guidelines that apply strictly to it. Organized religion has ruined the good name of faith and spirituality, I think... yet athiesm seems to be too hopeless and cynical - as if we should at least be open-minded to the possibility...

I guess that's my ignorance and human weakness - this need for a higher purpose to it all.

posted by Morgan | 31 January 2007



Honestly, there you are, harmlessly spending a few hours between welcome the new arrivals to heaven in the act of browsing a few of your favourite websites, and all you get is people debating your very existence in the comments.

I give up, I really do.

posted by God | 1 February 2007



Oops, sorry God.

By the way, did you get my fax about smiting the men who live upstairs with the parrot? No need for the additional righteous vengeance stuff if you're busy.

Ta.

posted by Jack | 1 February 2007



God - whilst you are at it, can you get Jack to make this grey text a little darker? I'm going blind by the sentence...

Ohh and well done on that book of yours, best novel I've read for ages, what a remarkable imagination you have, no wonder it's a best seller (Dan Brown? PAH!)

posted by Gordon | 1 February 2007



Parrot and man duly smited, my faithful disciple. Enjoy the parrot pie for dinner.

Gordon, God's technical helpline recommends increasing the contrast on your screen or sacrificing a goat on your hard disk in order to honour the LORD your God.

posted by God | 1 February 2007



I hope you don't mind too much, but if anybody ever asks me my own views on this subject I'm going to direct them to this post, because you have summed up everything I think and why, right down to the watchful Virgin Mary in the lunch hall.

posted by Natalie | 7 February 2007



Go with Carl Sagan... he's much calmer, but just as incisive,

That said, I think it's about bloody time a loud, unlikable curmudgeon ended up on our side. More of it please, Richard!

posted by Matt Volatile | 11 February 2007



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